Back when Toyota was on its last stand at making things aimed at enthusiasts

"CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist)" (ccpbb) 12/12/2016 at 21:01 • Filed to: None

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....2zz.....cornering.

S65 > CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) 12/12/2016 at 21:05

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So the 86 does not exist..

djmt1 > CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) 12/12/2016 at 21:10

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When Aliens decide whether or not, we are worthy of being ascended to the stars, Toyota not putting the 2ZZ in the MR2 will ultimately be what keeps us as Earthbound Luddites. Clearly we do not seek greatness as a species.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) 12/12/2016 at 21:11

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stahp convincing me to do dumb decisions as soon as I got this job pls

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) 12/12/2016 at 21:15

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The 1ZZ is a high performance engine?

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > S65 12/12/2016 at 21:15

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The aimed at enthusiasts part comes from Subaru.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > djmt1 12/12/2016 at 21:15

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Was there any redeeming feature of the 1zz-FED despite being built in Japan?

theloudmouth > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura 12/12/2016 at 21:19

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The 1ZZ was the automotive equivalent of dating a nice girl and finding out her sister is just as practical and good for the long term but otherwise better in every single way.

..... so no.

djmt1 > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura 12/12/2016 at 21:20

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Yeah it allows you to get experience with engine swaps for when you do the job Toyota should of done in the first place.

Sam > CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) 12/12/2016 at 21:21

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And then they realised that enthusiasts only buy used.

LongbowMkII > djmt1 12/12/2016 at 21:28

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Maybe they’ll take you if you did it yourself?

LongbowMkII > CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) 12/12/2016 at 21:32

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The vvtli crossover was just too high for it to really win people over. I love going to the 4500rpm manifold crossover on the 5, but I couldn’t imagine bothering if it didn’t activate until 5200. With the 2zz, It appears close to impossible to stay on the high lift cam with the factory settings. At least on the street.

djmt1 > LongbowMkII 12/12/2016 at 21:36

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Best Sci Fi premise I’ve heard for a while.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura 12/12/2016 at 21:41

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Other than okay longevity, no. No there is not. It’s a buzzy little motor that works hard to get very little done.

CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) > S65 12/12/2016 at 21:43

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The 7G Celica was Toyota’s post-coital attempt at making an actual enthusiast-minded line of cars. It was the ending of a generation of awesome cars like the Supra, the Alltrac Celicas, and all those Marlboro funded rally funded programmes.

CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 12/12/2016 at 21:43

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1ZZ is not, 2ZZ can be considered based on the current lineup of Toyota engines.

CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) > LongbowMkII 12/12/2016 at 21:45

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Honda knows what they are doing with VTEC, but they are slowly getting irrelevant within the current world of cars

feather-throttle-not-hair > CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) 12/12/2016 at 21:53

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It was way lighter than 6th gen celicas too. I hate the styling of the car, but they were fantastic to drive and got a lot more things right than anyone gives them credit for.

feather-throttle-not-hair > CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) 12/12/2016 at 21:54

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I still want a Corolla XRS as a daily.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) 12/12/2016 at 22:18

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That background music though

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) 12/12/2016 at 22:24

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Oh yeah, the 2zz was great. Our Matrix only has the 1zz and it’s somehow slower than a single exhaust NPI Crown Vic with 2.73s.